Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/19/2001 01:10 PM House JUD

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HB 114 - INHALANT ABUSE                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0752                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  announced that the  next order of  business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL  NO. 114, "An Act relating to  abuse of inhalants."                                                               
[Before the committee was CSHB 114(HES).]                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG called an at-ease from 2:31 p.m. to 2:33 p.m.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0696                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MARY  KAPSNER, Alaska State  Legislature, sponsor,                                                               
explained  that HB  114 targets  the problem  of inhalant  abuse,                                                               
which  has been  neglected  in  Alaska for  many  years; it  will                                                               
provide  public  safety  officials, medical  personnel,  and  the                                                               
courts  leverage to  place individuals  who abuse  inhalants into                                                               
rehabilitation.  She added that  HB 114 classifies inhalant abuse                                                               
as a  class B misdemeanor that  is punishable by a  fine of $300,                                                               
which  can  be  waived  if  the  individual  agrees  to  go  into                                                               
treatment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  noted that  a treatment center  in Bethel                                                               
is  under construction  and is  expected  to open  on August  31,                                                               
2001.  She said that currently  there are only two inhalant abuse                                                               
treatment centers  in the nation:   one  is in North  Dakota, and                                                               
the  other is  in  Texas.   The  lack  of  treatment centers  for                                                               
inhalant  abuse  has been  a  source  of frustration  across  the                                                               
nation, she  explained.   People who  suffer from  inhalant abuse                                                               
need to  go to  treatment, but most  treatment facilities  do not                                                               
have accommodations  specific to  the needs of  inhalant abusers.                                                               
She stated  that most people  who suffer  abuse need at  least 30                                                               
days  to "detox"  because inhalants  penetrate all  of the  major                                                               
organs.   She  mentioned that  24 other  states have  passed laws                                                               
addressing inhalant abuse, which is  a very big problem in Alaska                                                               
but not much bigger than elsewhere in the nation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  then announced that the  original version                                                               
of HB  114 classified  inhalant abuse as  a class  B misdemeanor.                                                               
She amended her  explanation of the legislation to  say that CSHB
114(HES) classifies the behavior as  a violation.  She noted that                                                               
this  change ensured  that inhalant  abusers -  often very  young                                                               
children  - wouldn't  be criminalized  or put  through the  legal                                                               
system.  With regard to  national statistics, she reported that a                                                               
survey  of  eighth-graders indicated  that  19.6  percent of  all                                                               
eighth-graders have  tried inhalants;  she added that  an Alaskan                                                               
survey  done  in  1988  indicated that  25  percent  of  seventh-                                                               
through  twelfth-graders have  tried inhalants.   She  noted that                                                               
inhalant abuse is  an international problem, and  she mentioned a                                                               
case  wherein  some Canadian  kids  were  taken away  from  their                                                               
families for  "huffing" gas.   She explained that  inhalant abuse                                                               
is sometimes referred to as "sniffing" or "huffing."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0487                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEYER  made  a   motion  to  adopt  the  proposed                                                               
committee  substitute  (CS)  for  HB  114,  version  22-LS0130\J,                                                               
Luckhaupt, 4/16/01, as  a work draft.  There  being no objection,                                                               
Version J was before the committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGAN asked  whether  Version  J included  nitrous                                                               
oxide as  an inhalant.   He mentioned that  he has heard  that at                                                               
"rave concerts,"  balloons full  of nitrous  oxide are  sold, and                                                               
that nitrous oxide causes stupefaction.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER affirmed  that  Version  J would  include                                                               
nitrous oxide, sometimes referred to  as "whippets."  She pointed                                                               
out that language [in Section 1] reads in part:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     (a) Under circumstances  not otherwise proscribed under                                                                    
     AS  11.71, a  person commits  the offense  of abuse  of                                                                    
     inhalants  if   the  person   smells  or   inhales  any                                                                    
     inhalant, other  than an  alcoholic beverage,  with the                                                                    
     intent    of    causing   intoxication,    inebriation,                                                                    
     excitement, stupefaction,  or dulling  of the  brain or                                                                    
     nervous system.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN  said he wanted  it on record that  Version J                                                               
includes nitrous oxide.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0346                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JIM   HENKELMAN,   Statewide   Outreach   Coordinator,   Inhalant                                                               
Intervention Project, Yukon-Kuskokwim  Health Corporation (YKHC),                                                               
said  that the  YKHC is  in support  of HB  114, and  has federal                                                               
funding for  construction and initial  treatment process  for the                                                               
inhalant abuse  treatment center.   He added, however,  that [the                                                               
YKHC] feels  there is a real  need to both bring  this problem to                                                               
the attention  of the public  and allow public safety  and health                                                               
officials some  recourse for addressing  the problem  of inhalant                                                               
abuse.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENKELMAN  remarked that often  [the YKHC]  receives comments                                                               
from  people   who  say  that   when  they  have   contacted  law                                                               
enforcement for  help with  an inhalant  abuse problem,  they are                                                               
told  that nothing  can  be done  because it  is  not illegal  to                                                               
inhale  substances.   He predicted  that passage  of HB  114 will                                                               
allow law enforcement  to intervene.  He added  that [the YKHC's]                                                               
biggest concern is  for the youth; inhalants  are substances that                                                               
are abused  by very young  children - as young  as age four.   He                                                               
mentioned that  he has heard  of instances when babies  have been                                                               
given inhalant-type substances to "settle them down."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENKELMAN  described his surprise  at learning the  extent to                                                               
which inhalants  are a "gateway"  substance to  other substances.                                                               
A survey  done a couple of  years ago at the  Ernie Turner Center                                                               
indicated  that 70  percent  of the  residents  in treatment  had                                                               
started their substance abuse by  using inhalants, and 50 percent                                                               
of those people  said that they would go back  to using inhalants                                                               
if  alcohol   wasn't  available.     After   one  looks   at  the                                                               
unbelievably serious  damage that  can be  caused even  the first                                                               
time somebody  "inhales," it is  obvious that  early intervention                                                               
has  a better  chance  of preventing  long-term substance  abuse,                                                               
especially among young children.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENKELMAN, with  regard to  the  residential inhalant  abuse                                                               
treatment center,  explained that the grand  opening is scheduled                                                               
for August 31, 2001.  [The  YKHC] expects to take the first group                                                               
of young  people into  the residential  treatment program  at the                                                               
beginning of  September.   He explained that  [the YKHC]  has, to                                                               
date, been involved in statewide  outreach work, including making                                                               
contact  with communities,  assisting them  as they  "build their                                                               
capacity  to   deal  with  the  inhalant   problem  within  their                                                               
community," and  training communities in the  referral process if                                                               
residential treatment is indicated.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES asked,  "How  do you  treat something  like                                                               
this?"                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENKELMAN,  after  noting   that  it  is  difficult  because                                                               
inhalants are  very different, went  on to explain that  it takes                                                               
four  to six  weeks  just to  get  the toxins  out  of the  fatty                                                               
tissues.   And,  unlike with  a lot  of other  substances, almost                                                               
always, as  soon as  somebody starts  using inhalants,  there are                                                               
some deficits that  occur:  brain damage takes place,  and one of                                                               
the first things to deteriorate is  impulse control.  So a lot of                                                               
times, "you're" dealing with young  people who have begun to lose                                                               
their  good judgment;  thus  a lot  of  behavior problems  arise,                                                               
which  is evident  in school.   He  added that  attention-deficit                                                               
issues become evident as well.   Key to the treatment of inhalant                                                               
abuse  is a  really good  assessment, he  explained, in  order to                                                               
determine exactly  what the  deficits are  and how  extensive the                                                               
damage is.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER  added  that  the  Division  of  Juvenile                                                               
Justice has  indicated that  sometimes there  is confusion  as to                                                               
whether some of  their clients have FAS  (fetal alcohol syndrome)                                                               
or are inhalant  abuse sufferers because these  two problems have                                                               
a lot of the same symptoms.   She explained, however, that one of                                                               
the  differences  is  that  FAS children  have  almost  no  early                                                               
childhood  memories,  whereas  inhalant  abusers  have  childhood                                                               
memories up  until the point  when they began  abusing inhalants.                                                               
Inhalants  affect every  major organ,  she reiterated,  and there                                                               
are repercussions for  the offspring of inhalant  abusers as well                                                               
because reproductive organs are affected too.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  added that "this isn't  something that just                                                               
happened  lately, either;  this  has  been going  on  for a  long                                                               
time."   She recalled  a foster  child that she  took care  of 38                                                               
years ago who  was 15 at the time.   The child's record indicated                                                               
that she  had been getting  "Ds" and  maybe an occasional  "C" in                                                               
school; the  records also  indicated that this  was all  that the                                                               
child was capable of attaining,  even though she was working very                                                               
hard in  school.   Representative James found  out by  talking to                                                               
this child that when she was  a little girl, she and others would                                                               
sniff gasoline until they passed out.   This was a long time ago,                                                               
Representative  James remarked,  and  now "we're"  hearing a  lot                                                               
about it.   She surmised that similar behavior had  been going on                                                               
long before that as well.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  pointed out  that inhaling  substances is                                                               
extremely addictive.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  noted that another dangerous  behavior that                                                               
young children  engage in is to  go around in circles  until they                                                               
get  dizzy and  fall  down.   She  said  that  she remembered  an                                                               
incident when  she was  growing up  of a  neighbor child  who had                                                               
done this  and died  as a result  of "water on  the brain."   She                                                               
added that her mother put a stop  to her doing this because it is                                                               
so very dangerous.   She warned, however, that even  though it is                                                               
such a dangerous behavior, kids love to do it.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEYER commented  that  he  has heard  speculation                                                               
that  some  people  substitute inhalants  for  alcohol  when  the                                                               
latter is not available.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0397                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENKELMAN  confirmed this as  being accurate.  He  added that                                                               
inhalant abuse  can in  part be attributed  to limited  access of                                                               
alcohol  in  some  areas  of   Alaska.    Inhalants  are  readily                                                               
available:   they  can be  found in  the refrigerator,  under the                                                               
kitchen counter,  and in the gas  tank.  These substances  have a                                                               
lot of the same effects [as  alcohol], but the physical damage to                                                               
the  body is  so much  more severe.   He  noted that  one problem                                                               
officials face is  that the actual cause of some  of the physical                                                               
problems  experienced  by  inhalant  abusers  is  not  very  well                                                               
documented.   For example, if  somebody is sniffing glue,  two or                                                               
three  days later  the  lungs begin  to fill  up  with fluid  and                                                               
he/she  starts  having  serious respiratory  problems.    At  the                                                               
hospital,  the  respiratory  problems  are treated,  but  no  one                                                               
investigates to see if the cause is inhalant abuse.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER asked what prompts people to use inhalants.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENKELMAN  explained that  many of the  reasons are  the same                                                               
ones that  prompt people to  try alcohol and  drugs; particularly                                                               
for young people,  he opined, it is a method  of escape, it gives                                                               
a feeling  of power, and  it clearly  is mind-altering.   He said                                                               
that according to people he  has talked with, using inhalants can                                                               
cause visual  and auditory hallucinations,  it can give  a person                                                               
the feeling of being in whole  different world, and it can impart                                                               
a feeling of  euphoria.  He added that when  young children begin                                                               
abusing inhalants,  they get  addicted when  they are  young, and                                                               
they  don't  have  any understanding  that  they  are  inflicting                                                               
incredible damage on themselves.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER asked whether  inhalant addiction is treated                                                               
the same way alcohol or drug addiction is treated.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENKELMAN explained  that some of the same  principles can be                                                               
used, but it generally takes  longer to treat inhalant addiction.                                                               
In addition,  a more comprehensive  assessment has to be  done in                                                               
order to  identify the  deficits; then  the addicted  person will                                                               
need help building  skills to compensate for  those deficits, and                                                               
this type  of help  is not  a part  of "regular"  substance abuse                                                               
treatment, he noted.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES asked how the  treatment process works for a                                                               
four-year-old who is sniffing things.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0603                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENKELMAN, with  regard to  a  child that  young, said  that                                                               
probably the  best method of treatment  is to limit access.   One                                                               
type of  problem encountered by  [the YKHC] is calls  from people                                                               
asking  for  someone  to  come  "fix  my  child  because  they're                                                               
sniffing"; the  parents don't realize  that they can  control the                                                               
situation  by limiting  the child's  access to  these substances,                                                               
and by  becoming more aware  of what's  going on with  the child.                                                               
He added  that with a child  that age, it is  really the parents'                                                               
responsibility to deal with the situation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENKELMAN said  [the  YKHC] would  like  to see  communities                                                               
develop the ability to support the  parents.  Part of the problem                                                               
is  that all  too often,  it  is the  dynamics in  the home  that                                                               
contribute to a child's getting  into an inhalant abuse situation                                                               
to start  with.  Such  support would include helping  the parents                                                               
cope with  the behavior problems  associated with a child  who is                                                               
suffering  from inhalant  abuse  or other  substance abuse;  such                                                               
support  will  require a  combined  effort  on  the part  of  the                                                               
families, the mental health programs,  the Division of Family and                                                               
Youth   Service  (DFYS),   community  wellness   counselors,  and                                                               
substance abuse counselors.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  asked how such children  will be detained                                                               
if  the need  arises, and  if people  other than  law enforcement                                                               
would have the authority to remove a child from his/her home.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER offered that on  page 2, line 11, there is                                                               
language that relates to that.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  said there appears to  be a contradiction                                                               
between  language on  page 4,  line  30, which  says "the  person                                                               
remains incapacitated  by alcohol  for more  than 48  hours after                                                               
admission as  a patient", and  page 5,  line 16, which  says, "12                                                               
hours".                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  noted that  these two sections  of HB  114 merely                                                               
add the word "inhalants" to the existing statute.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENKELMAN  offered that the  language on page 5  is referring                                                               
to a detention facility [whereas  language on page 6 is referring                                                               
to a treatment or health facility].                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0920                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT   BUTTCANE,   Legislative  and   Administrative   Liaison,                                                               
Division  of Juvenile  Justice, Department  of Health  and Social                                                               
Services (DHSS), explained that  "we're" talking about two phases                                                               
of an involuntary and emergency  commitment provision.  Section 9                                                               
on page  5 relates to  an emergency  custody period of  12 hours.                                                               
Contrastingly, Section  6 on  page 4 relates  to people  who have                                                               
presented  themselves to  treatment  programs  for treatment  and                                                               
detoxification, and  may, upon examination and  approval, stay in                                                               
that  status for  up  to  48 hours.    Therefore,  these are  two                                                               
different actions  and provisions that are  not inconsistent, but                                                               
are, instead, two parts of a continuum.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG remarked  that  this  is a  crime  that is  being                                                               
considered  a  violation, and  that  many  of the  provisions  in                                                               
Version J relate primarily to minors.   He asked how the issue of                                                               
inhalant abuse by adults is being addressed.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE  concurred that  Section 1 is  creating a  new crime                                                               
that  is  a  violation,  as  opposed  to  a  "jailable"  offense.                                                               
Therefore, any person  - adult or juvenile - would  be subject to                                                               
sanctions if  he/she were to  abuse these substances.   Section 3                                                               
ensures that a juvenile offender would  be treated the same as an                                                               
adult, but,  he added,  language on page  2 [lines  3-5] mandates                                                               
what the court  will do once a person has  been convicted of this                                                               
violation, which shall be to  place the offender on probation and                                                               
require  that  he/she  successfully complete  an  inhalant  abuse                                                               
treatment program.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  noted that inhalant abuse  treatment programs are                                                               
[not] readily available in Alaska.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTTCANE  mentioned that  [the  DHSS]  has submitted  fiscal                                                               
notes "based on what we might project to provide treatment."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES,  with regard to conviction  and sentencing,                                                               
asked how four-year-olds would be treated.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE  confirmed that  they would be  treated the  same as                                                               
adults,  but added  that  there are  some  practical issues  that                                                               
would be taken  into account.  If a four-year-old  is found to be                                                               
abusing substances,  while "we  may initially  grab hold"  of the                                                               
child  and start  intervention, the  focus will  shift to  what's                                                               
going  on  within  the  family  and  the  community;  thus  other                                                               
intervention mechanisms  will be  implemented, he explained.   He                                                               
said that  while it  is possible that  a law  enforcement officer                                                               
could cite a four-year-old, it's  doubtful that such a case would                                                               
actually be prosecuted.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER noted  that Version J provides  that a law                                                               
enforcement officer  "may" take  the child, rather  than "shall",                                                               
as was provided for in an earlier version.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1206                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE noted  that Section 4 on page 3  of Version J speaks                                                               
to  services  for  minors.     What  "we're"  trying  to  do,  he                                                               
explained,  is  give  some authority  to  local  law  enforcement                                                               
agencies to make  interventions, which they could do  by taking a                                                               
juvenile into  protective custody  and then returning  him/her to                                                               
the parent.  This, then, is  that fine line between being able to                                                               
effectively  intervene without  necessarily effecting  a criminal                                                               
arrest, which would be inappropriate  in the case of a four-year-                                                               
old.  "This"  is looked at, really, as a  medical issue more than                                                               
as  a criminal  issue, but,  he  noted, there  are some  criminal                                                               
processes  that  can  be  put  into play  if  necessary.    After                                                               
intervention   by   local   law   enforcement,   a   process   of                                                               
assessment/referral/treatment/detoxification  can  be  triggered,                                                               
he reported.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG referred  to language  in Section  4 that  said a                                                               
peace officer  may take  into protective custody  a minor  who is                                                               
not otherwise subject to arrest.   He asked what sort of scenario                                                               
is affected by this language.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTTCANE used  the  example of  a minor  who  steals a  snow                                                               
machine  and  then  sniffs  the  gasoline  until  he/she  becomes                                                               
intoxicated by the  fumes; when a law  enforcement official comes                                                               
upon  this situation,  the minor  will be  subject to  arrest for                                                               
stealing the  snow machine  instead of  simply being  placed into                                                               
protective custody for being under  the influence of an inhalant.                                                               
Mr. Buttcane  informed the  committee that  [Section 4]  has been                                                               
reviewed  both by  the Department  of Law  and Legislative  Legal                                                               
Services,  and  therefore  [the DHSS]  believes  [Section  4]  is                                                               
consistent with other provisions of law.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER  mentioned  that  HB 114  has  a  further                                                               
referral to the House Finance Committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1438                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ALVIA  "STEVE" DUNNAGAN,  Lieutenant,  Division  of Alaska  State                                                               
Troopers,  Department  of  Public  Safety  (DPS),  testified  via                                                               
teleconference  and   said  simply   that  from   an  enforcement                                                               
standpoint, Section  4 is quite  easily read and understood.   It                                                               
pretty much guarantees  that if law enforcement  personnel have a                                                               
serious reason to  arrest somebody, they could do  so rather than                                                               
worrying solely about inhalant use.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG called an at-ease from 3:06 p.m. to 3:07 p.m.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG noted that page  2, line 5, includes language that                                                               
requires  the  defendant  to successfully  complete  an  inhalant                                                               
abuse treatment  program, but he  pointed out that  such programs                                                               
are not available everywhere in Alaska.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER explained that  the facility that is being                                                               
built in Bethel will be a statewide facility.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  inquired, then, whether everyone  subject to this                                                               
legislation would be flown to Bethel.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENKELMAN replied, "That's correct.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG, after  wishing  the sponsor  good  luck on  that                                                               
point when HB 114 goes  to the House Finance Committee, suggested                                                               
instead that the  court could be granted  flexibility with regard                                                               
to requiring  the defendant to successfully  complete an inhalant                                                               
abuse  treatment program;  currently  the language  in Version  J                                                               
mandates it, he added.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1502                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE opined:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     If we  did that, the department's  fiscal note probably                                                                    
     would  be  zeroed out;  if  this  were a  discretionary                                                                    
     thing, what  it would  do, essentially, would  be limit                                                                    
     treatment to the facility being  built in Bethel, which                                                                    
     is funded  through federal programs.   So if we  did it                                                                    
     as  a discretionary  thing,  the  department would  not                                                                    
     have to submit this....                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  posited that it  has to be discretionary  for the                                                               
court,  and he  noted  that he  is  not trying  to  speak to  the                                                               
treatment  issue   other  than   the  practical  matter   of  its                                                               
availability.  He  said the legislature can't force  the judge to                                                               
mandate a treatment program that  doesn't exist unless the person                                                               
is flown a thousand miles.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES suggested changing  the language [on page 2,                                                               
line 3,] to "may", instead of "shall".                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  noted that such  a change would  give flexibility                                                               
regarding  probation  too.    He then  asked  what  AS  12.55.085                                                               
addresses.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTTCANE  explained  that  AS   12.55.085  is  part  of  the                                                               
sentencing/probation statute.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENKELMAN,  in response  to a  question from  Chair Rokeberg,                                                               
stated that the  facility in Bethel is for youths  10 to 17 years                                                               
of age.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1578                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DON  DAPCEVICH, Division  of Alcoholism  and  Drug Abuse  (DADA),                                                               
Department of Health  and Social Services (DHSS),  in response to                                                               
the question  of how and  where adults  are going to  be treated,                                                               
explained  that  the adult  treatment  is  accounted for  in  the                                                               
fiscal note  for the DHSS,  to take  care of some  possibility to                                                               
provide  some  services   outside  of  the  Bethel   area  on  an                                                               
outpatient basis.  He added that  both youths and adults would be                                                               
able to make use of such services.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  pointed  out   that  the  fiscal  note  mentions                                                               
treatment for 30 juveniles and 30 adults.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE  remarked that  that portion of  the fiscal  note is                                                               
merely  asking  for recognition  that  these  people are  in  the                                                               
system now,  and are currently  being treated, and that  the DHSS                                                               
is not simply creating a new treatment group.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOOKESH stated that he  is a co-sponsor of HB 114,                                                               
which  he  feels  is  an  important bill,  and  he  would  really                                                               
appreciate the  committee's favorable consideration  in reporting                                                               
this legislation out of committee.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1714                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES made a motion  to adopt Amendment 1, on page                                                               
2,  line  3,  to  change  "shall"  to  "may".    There  being  no                                                               
objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1756                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES  moved  to  report CSHB  114,  version  22-                                                               
LS0130\J, Luckhaupt,  4/16/01, as amended, out  of committee with                                                               
individual  recommendations and  the  accompanying fiscal  notes.                                                               
There being  no objection,  CSHB 114(JUD)  was reported  from the                                                               
House Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                                             

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